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One week ago we published a detailed report about Durango, the next-gen Microsoft system. The company has built a powerful system, more than Wii U. Now, we would like to share with you the specs for Orbis, Sony’s alternative machine for the next-gen. After you, gents and ladies.

LIVERPOOL SOC

Custom implementation of AMD Fusion APU Arquitecture (Accelerated Processing Unit)
Provides good performance with low power consumtion
Integrated CPU and GPU
Considerably bigger and more powerful than AMD’s other APUs

CPU:

Orbis contains eight Jaguar cores at 1.6 Ghz, arranged as two “clusters”
Each cluster contains 4 cores and a shared 2MB L2 cache
256-bit SIMD operations, 128-bit SIMD ALU
SSE up to SSE4, as well as Advanced Vector Extensions (AVX)
One hardware thread per core
Decodes, executes and retires at up to two intructions/cycle
Out of order execution
Per-core dedicated L1-I and L1-D cache (32Kb each)
Two pipes per core yield 12,8 GFlops performance
102.4 GFlops for system

GPU:

GPU is based on AMD’s “R10XX” (Southern Islands) architecture
DirectX 11.1+ feature set
Liverpool is an enhanced version of the architecture
18 Compute Units (CUs)
Hardware balanced at 14 CUs
Shared 512 KB of read/write L2 cache
800 Mhz
1.843 Tflops, 922 GigaOps/s
Dual shader engines
18 texture units
8 Render backends

Memory:

4 GB unified system memory, 176 GB/s
3.5 available to games (estimate)

Storage:

- High speed Blu-ray drive

single layer (25 GB) or dual layer (50 GB) discs
Partial constant angular velocity (PCAV)
Outer half of disc 6x (27 MB/s)
Inner half varies, 3.3x to 6x

- Internal mass storage

One SKU at launch: 500 GB HDD
There may also be a Flash drive SKU in the future

Networking:

1 Gb/s Ethernet, 802.11b/g/n WIFI, and Bluetooth

Peripherals:

Evolved Dualshock controller
Dual Camera
Move controller

Extra:

Audio Processor (ACP)
Video encode and decode (VCE/UVD) units
Display ScanOut Engine (DCE)
Zlib Decompression Hardware

UPDATE: some people is confused about the GPU, here you have more info about it:

Each CU contains dedicated:

- ALU (32 64-bit operations per cycle)

- Texture Unit

- L1 data cache

- Local data share (LDS)

About 14 + 4 balance:

- 4 additional CUs (410 Gflops) “extra” ALU as resource for compute

- Minor boost if used for rendering

Dual Shader Engines:

- 1.6 billion triangles/s, 1.6 billion vertices/s

18 Texture units

- 56 billion bilinear texture reads/s

- Can utilize full memory bandwith

8 Render backends:

- 32 color ops/cycle

- 128 depth ops/cycle

- Can utilize full memory bandwith

All this info is subject to change in the future by Sony.

So, we have a new technical war between Durango and Orbis. Which one will be better? Discuss. Leave a comment please.

We will give more detailed information about each component in future articles.

Ayrton Sheen

So like speculated looks quite a bit more powerful than Durango on paper. Any info on Compute Module?
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Tiberius

You guys are milking the articles very well, kudos to u
DoctorFouad

PS4 is a lot more powerful than xboxnext, killzone 4 a launch title will blow minds this E3, PC gamers will envy console gamers, and with Uncharted4 for fall 2014 demonstrated this E3 jaws will drop for sure !
- Ivan
  
  You gave your opinion upon raw power only and, from that, we can conclude that you don´t know what you´re talking about. It is, and it will always be, impossible to have a console as powerful as a PC rig. In order to make a console achievable for most consumers, industries must choose components that don´t have stellar prices, a limit not present in PCs.
  It´s impossible to cram 2 GTX 680 in SLI paired with a Core i7 3770K and 2 high capacity SSDs in RAID on a console, so…forget about it envy towards console players…
  - Xalivari
    
    You sir simply do not understand the fundamentals behind console video games. The “PS4″ and “xboxnext” will in fact cause the PC community to envy consoles and here is why:
    
    1. The majority of unique ips operate uniformly on consoles , thus, consoles have 5 times as many titles as the PC gaming platform.
    
    2. Even with inferior hardware that is already showing age, the next generation of consoles will provide games that far outmatch even current PC titles in visual fidelity. The ps3, even to this day with pre-historic hardware, is able to output stunning titles such as Uncharted 3 and Killzone 3 even after all this time. This is simply due to the fact that consoles are designed purely for gaming; console developers have the means to squeeze unimaginable power out of old hardware.
    
    I am a PC gamer and play even more on my PC as opposed to my consoles, but a silly statement similar to the one you made must be addressed. Sure a PC rig with a GTX 680 and the latest core i7 processor will be able to run games with jazzed up visuals, even so, the next generation of consoles will take us all by surprise. We will be amazed at what some of these first party developers will be able to squeeze out of these systems. Did you believe back in 2007 that a game such as Uncharted 3 would be possible on such old hardware? I didn’t think so. A PC with the same specs wouldn’t dare to run that game at 10FPS. It is the dedication and skill-set that console developers have that will in fact end up blowing us all away.
    - carlos
      
      what are you retarded dude? uncharted and killzone? stop it with these low budget crap titles that run sub 720p, at 30 fps and with absolutely no AA, a pc could run uncharted at 1600p, 60 fps and full txaa if it wanted to. You obviously think that good art equals more power, witcher 2 artistically and graphically and power wise walks all over these titles. Learn your hardware before you talk shit like you just did, what is good about next gen for pc is that it wont be held back like it is now, or what? you think pc gaming is going to die just because you launch your inferior consoles? please.
      
      seriously, learn and read before you talk out of your ass. a true next gen pc title wont ever be beat by consoles, if you think your next gen concoles will run bf3, crysis 3, metro last light at 1080p, 60 fps and with AA think again son.
      - Xalivari
        
        Oh lord, here we go with the immature cursing and all of the nonsense. You seem awfully offensive over something there pal. I am aware PCs will run last light and crysis 3 with notched up visuals. Now on to my point. I have no disrespect nor do I dislike PC gaming, as stated before I am a PC gamer myself, in being so however, I do realize that you don’t know a good quality AAA game when you see one, and sir for your information, Crysis 3 is NOT one of those. All Crysis games are nothing but a bunch of high quality graphics with a shit storyline half assed to the back. Next gen consoles will be able to do AA and MSAA pretty well, however, I doubt TXAA will be available. In making that comparison, you have turned this into a console war. I applaud you for doing such a thing. First off you claim Uncharted and Killzone are “low budget crap titles” when in fact the budget of one of these games along nearly triples that of crysis 2. Secondly, you assume I think PC gaming is going to die. Smart move there buddy. I never once said anything about PC gaming coming to an end, sure consoles are holding it back now, but next gen will open the door once again for better games. Lastly, never once did I say or even suggest next gen consoles will be able to HURP DE DURP “Run metwo lash liyt aht 1080pee, 60 EFF PEE ESS”. You need to take your pathetic ass back to whatever parent’s basement you’ve been living in and stop with the absolutely ignorant assumptions, shorty.
      - Xalivari
        
        Oh, and Carlos, you might want to consider a few basic college English classes, 101 or 102 might get you somewhere. With grammar this bad “witcher 2 artistically and graphically and power wise”, I’m surprised you were even able to read what my comment even said. You tell me to “learn and read before talking out of my ass”, I think you need to LEARN HOW TO READ and WRITE before talking out of your’s.
    - http://www.youtube.com/oryg1n ORYG1N
      
      Have you seen anything of the Steambox, my friend? PC’s doing nothing but getting stronger.
- http://www.youtube.com/oryg1n ORYG1N
  
  No they will not. Consoles will NEVER beat a pc. Ever. These consoles are already outdated compared to our current gen pc’s and these consoles aren’t even out yet.
bongo

First!
- Chris Boers
  
  You’re comparing a console for the masses with an extremely high-end PC. For game devs, that’s not the comparison. They compare the console against a PC for the masses, and more and more, that’s a laptop. With that in mind, this next generation consoles will for a longer period of time (2-3 years) out-perform PCs/laptops that are in general use. Only then will the average PC strt to outperform the consoles again.
Annoynmous

These specs are all false.

I am a sony insider and you guys have no idea how powerful the ps4 is.
Those expecting BC and the cell too would be very happy in the enar future.

That’s all i will say for now
- Michael Gobbers
  
  Yeah well your comment is a trustworthy as this article. Both of them could be complete bull because the legitimacy of the source is not confirmed. You could just be another troll for all I know…
- ComputerGames
  
  The difference is that VGLeaks has proven itself and has credibility.
- Van Buri
  
  Well, I don’t trust you
- Anon
  
  I’d love to see anything in the enar future. A Sony insider would know how to spell!
Tiberius

Btw 8 rops 16 texture is rofl. U guys dun fcked up. The fake is in!
DoctorTrouad

PC gamers have nothing to envy when single GPUs already offer +2x the flops of Liverpool GPU (closer to 3x by the time it launches with HD8xxx series GPUs), not to mention much faster CPUs than a low-clocked 8-core Jaguar, which is 2x faster than what youll find in 2013 x86 tablets and cheap notebooks/netbooks (4-core Jaguar).
P. Ennis

18 Texture Units as opposed to stock 7850′s 64? And 8 ROPs as opposed to 32 ROPs? PS3 and 360 have 8 ROPs. Either this article has knowingly or unknowingly got those details wrong or Orbis is not as powerful as it is being cracked up to be.
- ComputerGames
  
  These numbers are for each of four. 18 Texture Units doesn’t even make sense.
  
  It’s 72 TU and 32 ROPs
  
  http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-7970/cu-block.jpg
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Gamer85

Hhahahahaha… this is SO fake.
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DarthDiggler

Don’t believe this crap, they don’t know what the specs are the PS4 hasn’t been unveiled these guys are just ass-hats.
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doa766

what you mean world exclusive when Eurogamer posted most of this specs over a week ago?
Maynard

Soon we will detail what is composing each CU and its 14+4 division.

Also, we will provide more info about the GPU and extra components listed in the article.
- doa766
  
  what do you mean world exclusive when Eurogamer posted most of this specs over a week ago?
  
  http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-orbis-unmasked-what-to-expect-from-next-gen-console
Barack Obama

Where are the facts that back this?
Locu

The data is written so strange that i really doubts whether the author has any idea of what he writes or maybe he just dont want, that people get the info easy.
With 8xRender-Backends the author mean that they are 8 Raster-Cluster with 4 ROPs for each one –> 32 ROPs.
And with 18 Texture-Units he also means that there are 18 “Clusters” where a “Cluster” also contains 4 TMUs per Compute Unit –> 72 TMUs.
- KRubin
  
  Yes, it is a bit of a jumble.
  
  I think the owner of this site is not a native English speaker, however.
  
  You have to sift the gold from the dirt. The gold is there.
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Saywhaa?

NINE HUNDRED AND NINITY NINE US DOLLARS!
Pabs

From what I can see here the specs seem similar to an HD 7850 which although a powerful card… it’s just midrange in terms of what is out there right now… this thing won’t blow our minds… it’s just basically a cheap gaming PC
yolo

How is this a world exclusive? All of this info has been posted numerous times before, and on other sites as well. What was the point of even posting this “new” article? It’s the same shit you’ve been repeating for the longest. There’s not a single bit of new info in this, so why did you hype up Monday like something new was going to be revealed?

I think you’re just browsing different forums like NeoGAF and Beyond3D, and getting your info from there. I don’t think you know a single thing.
ron

PS4 with a Radeon 7850 ( G3D Mark 3600 pts) this card can do 30 fps in crysis 2 in 1440p Full graphics enabled, if the PS4 has this video card it will be a wonderful console for several years, thats for sure. with 4gb DDR5 .. WOW, i hopw its true, i still believe vgleak its seem possible, but xbox card to me too look like a 7770 with 2125 pts if the 1.28tlops is true. So PS4 video card 1.66 times better than xbox 720 video card ??? i hope the xbox 720 video card has ddr5 not ddr3… we will wait sony and microsoft details these announcement should be very soon
ron

radeon 7850 sell for 235$ in canada, its still a great video card, its not a budget video its a High end video card, just not the best one, can sony efford a card like that in PS4 ?? PS4 = 600$ ?
KRubin

Hi guys,

What you see above is mostly legit, I can testify to that (amen!)

Thought you might like to know ballpark figures on price.

The target price is $350. Bear in mind this is a target price, but gives you an idea of where it is headed.

If you think it is a Mexican stand-off at the moment, wait for E3. You’ll be wanting to know the pricing, but that’s going to be the bigger stand-off! Specs can be leaked easily due to so many third-parties involved from suppliers to studios. Pricing. Now that’s held close to the chest.

No more than $50 above Xbox is a key objective.
unknown

Fake, no doubt. You’ve just changed what users told you in the last publication: ram memory speed, the processor cluster thing, etc. And the GPU type is based on the first rumor that appeared last year. Anyway, if the final machine approaches this shitty specs, I won’t pay more than 250-300$ for it. Actually, I don’t think i’m going to buy any machine like that.
JCanonn

the specifications are fully or poorly copied or are false especially with respect to new update data of gpu
- http://www.n4g.com Shay
  
  ^Agreed!
Joe Schmoe

Red flags galore.

This isn’t a “leak”. It’s a roundup of “guesses” from a few internet forums.
Haggard

Lol. Those specs are not logical, actually they make no sense whatsoever. Vgleaks must have made a mistake writing the specs down or their source makes fun of them. 1 Texture Unit per CU ? *Cough.

Whatever you say those specs are wrong. It has nothing to do with future changes. Such a GPU does not exist nor does it make sense to design one like this. Those GPU specs sound as believable as reading new leaks about a new Lamborghini with 1 Wheel instead of 4. I am not convinced this is true and I will wait for Sonys official release. At this point I even doubt the legitimacy of all the data.
- zelex
  
  HEY im a Lamborghini engineer and i can verify that the 1 wheeled sports car is the wave of the future, ours will be out early this summer
JCanonn

computer units are

L1 16kb cache
LDS 64kb
4 texture units
4 units vector/4 register vectors (with 16ALU x Vector unit (total of 64ALU x CU))
1 scalar unit/1 scalar register

update it again now xD
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Meeeeeee

I mean regardless, i am going to still buy it.
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http://hector3d.com Hector3d

Pics or it didn’t happen. If Luminous engine can’t be applied to this, then im not interested.
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XtremeXpider

No more Durango leaks??
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Hi there, the whole thing is going fine here and ofcourse every one is
sharing information, that’s truly fine, keep up writing.
Jay

What are shader cores in Durangos GPU if Orbis GPU have CU? Or are they the same thing?
Alf

There’s something wrong => only 50GB blu-ray disc? Only 4GB of ram?
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Gustavo-Belotto/100000756738359 Gustavo Belotto
  
  2gb of ram is enough to run any game of the this generation with no problems… A computer needs more ram because it’s a fuckin computer, it doesn’t only run games, the OS is much heavier etc. 4GB is good, but 8GB would be good too.
consoleguyyaddayadda

Listen to you guys…do you think that trash-talking each other about your knowledge of PC vs console means anything at all? The fact of the matter is, there will always be differing opinions on preference for gaming. Who cares that consoles will never compare on paper to high-end PCs? Let’s all just be stoked that nextgen is finally here for Sony and Microsoft, thereby bringing us one step closer to an open world game that has mapped the entire planet, or something of the sort. Console graphics today are greater than I could have ever imagined when I was a kid, playing Monday Night Raw and X-Men on SEGA Genesis.
- http://www.facebook.com/marcel.rasic Marcel Rasic
  
  Who cares if your pc has 8 cores when there is no game for pc that utilises more than 2 so it makes the pc dual core lol where on console they actually use everything available
TheSource

PS4 seems more powerful than the Xbox720 HOWEVER the Xbox720 comes with KINECT BUILT IN. The cost of KINECT > MOVE. They had to make some sacrifices and it looks like the GPU was the one to take the bite.

Fable Journey showed promise for the KINECT and with a better HD version of KINECT maybe the next-gen batch of games will not suck. Voice comands are awesome and it’s a definite edge over Sony or Nintendo.

I think that in the end Sony will have better looking exclusives and will cater to more hardcore gamers where Microsoft will target family/party environments with the built in KINECT (up to 4 players at once). Dance Central is one of the best party games out there and probably there will be more of those.

Personally I think I’ll go with SONY … HOWEVER if Xbox720 has BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY it might tip the scale for me. No used games is also sad.
- http://twitter.com/deSSy2724 Marko V.
  
  used games rumor was for PS4 too….. but i dont think any next gen console will block used games.
  - http://www.facebook.com/marcel.rasic Marcel Rasic
    
    That would be suicide for game developers and consoles what if you have two kids they both want to play on their xbox at different times? That mean that I’d have to buy two games for 120$? Instead of one for 60$? Would you ever buy that console?
- Robbie Rob
  
  The PS3 was more powerful and look how that turned out: A console that cost more and offered similar game quality as the 360…. More powerful doesn’t equate to better.. All the console has to be is ‘powerful enough’ … The New Xbox will be close to the PS4 in REAL world terms.. Both the PS4 and Xbox will be using X86 – this means MORE THEN ever these two consoles will be VERY SIMILAR – Games will be ported more then last generation – This means multi platform games will basically look the same !
- Robbie Rob
  
  The PS3 was more powerful and look how that turned out: A console that cost more and offered similar game quality as the 360…. More powerful doesn’t equate to better.. All the console has to be is ‘powerful enough’ … The New Xbox will be close to the PS4 in REAL world terms.. Both the PS4 and Xbox will be using X86 – this means MORE THEN ever these two consoles will be VERY SIMILAR – Games will be ported more then last generation – This means multi platform games will basically look the same !
- Robbie Rob
  
  The PS3 was more powerful and look how that turned out: A console that cost more and offered similar game quality as the 360…. More powerful doesn’t equate to better.. All the console has to be is ‘powerful enough’ … The New Xbox will be close to the PS4 in REAL world terms.. Both the PS4 and Xbox will be using X86 – this means MORE THEN ever these two consoles will be VERY SIMILAR – Games will be ported more then last generation – This means multi platform games will basically look the same !
- http://www.facebook.com/marcel.rasic Marcel Rasic
  
  Don’t forget xbox 360 vs ps3 where ps3 looks more powerful on paper but throw in some heavy game on both and it looks better on xbox (sony has tendancy to make it way too complicated for developers to easily utilise all resources available)
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Everyone is talking shit! A sony insider hahaha more like a fat loser that works in a conveinence store
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Robbie Rob

FROM VGLEAKS:
The new Xbox is RUMORED to have 12 of these “Compute Units” (CUs), while PS4 has 18 – These numbers have been hotly contested in the last couple of weeks ..

So does the GPU difference translate into as large an advantage as it sounds for the PS4? NO is the answer — VGleaks suggests that FOUR of these CUs ( out of the 18 – of the PS4 ) are reserved for Compute functions, conceivably bringing the PlayStation’s raw advantage down 18 to 14 useable CU’s in the PS4 versus 12 CU’s in the New Xbox..

Furthermore, Microsoft’s technique for accommodating 8GB of DDR3 modules – would ‘apear’ to be a disadvantage compared to DDR5 in the PS4. DDR3 can only process around one third the amount of data as the wider GDDR5, because the “pipe” is that much thinner. What is Microsoft’s solution? WE know they aren’t dumb huh? They are going to equip Durango with 32MB of fast memory (ESRAM) attached directly to the graphics core, but capable of being accessed from the CPU too. This little cache of memory can run in parallel with the DDR3, and combined bandwidth then rises back up to around 170GB/s – a number VERY close to the throughput of the GDDR5 in PS4.”

Lastly, MS is at an advantage. They can still make minor changes to the new Xbox because they now know Sony’s official specs.. they can equip Durango with faster RAM then what is rumored, etc.. Until MS announces their specs we don’t know.. we’ll have to wait another month and a half !

ONLY THING I BELEIVE TO BE FACT: Both systems will offer very similar performance and quality.. it’ll be a wash.. Basically the PS4 will be more like an XBOX then ever.. this means more games will be ported – which means quality will be probably too close to tell the difference !! Both system use the same video card ! Both system use a x86 processor ( Same as a PC )… And now people who know very little argue about numbers they really don’t understand..
- http://www.facebook.com/marcel.rasic Marcel Rasic
  
  Well I’m not basing anything on actual hardware but how easily it can be adapted by developers. Ps3 vs xbox 360 hardware and xbox is underdog but pop in Mafia game into both systems and you will see that it looked way better on xbox (shadows,grass etc.)
wiiboy101 uk master blaster

wiiu gpu has 32 mb edram another 2mb edram and 1mb sram VS durrangs 32mb sram and 512k sram

and liverpools 512k sram

clearly fast ram and bandwidth on gpu is vastly in favor for wiiu theres no graphics war anymore

ps4 is a pc un optermized parts

wiiu is compleatly custom and loaded with fadt ram and latency optermizations

wiiu cpu has edram catch not sram and it has 4to1 compresion of data vs no such comression for liverpool

wiiu has a core with 2mb edram to its self i do not see what xbox and ps4 are offering performance wise clearly

wiiu xbox and ps4 will all have on par grahics closer than ps2 gamecube and xbox did

graphics war OVER wiiu destroys the other two in controller options and precsion and lag free gameplay

gamepad destroys anything ps or xbox offer wii remote plus destroys anything the others offer and wiiu is 100% backward play

LOL AT MS AND SONY!!!!!
- http://www.facebook.com/marcel.rasic Marcel Rasic
  
  Wiiu is old crap its capabilities are 1.5 times that of xbox 360 and durango is at least 3 times that wiiu clock is too slow it can’t even handle black ops 2 at full 1080p lol instead max u can get is 880×720 sub hd LOL WHAT A GREAT MACHINE HAHA
thumper the jack russel

wiiu on board fast catch memory 32+2+1+3for cpu=38mb of high speed high bandwidth on processors memory

ps4 4mb cpus + 512k for gpu = 4.5mb

lol SONY BUILT A CHEAP OF THE SHELF PC
brain bot

Leave a message…lol @ off the shelf tabkwt parts and a high clock speed gpu that is very like other tablet gpu cores AKA PSVITA and no optermations for LATENCY AND INPROVED PERFORMANCE …

wiiu is a tiny 40 watts peak very little heat and the MCM ram and disc drive all optermized for SPEED and the memory is extreamly fast ,high bandwidth and large were it needs to be ON THE GPU,CPU

ps4 is a pc pretending to be a console edram and sram are EXPENSIVE ddr5 is cheap

so ps4 has loads of CHEAP main ram wiiu has loads of EXPENSIVE FAST RAM

ps4s KILL ZONE DEMO WOULD RUN ON WIIU AND XBOX 720 with ease

but only wiiu would offer gamepad and wii remote plus controls SO IS CLEARLY THE ONLY NEXT GEN SYSTEM ?
- http://www.facebook.com/marcel.rasic Marcel Rasic
  
  Wii remote sucks my LG tv has bettermagic wand remote and wii doesn’t come even close to the Kinect which is as good as any controller can get so first try out things before commenting and sounding stupid
brain bot

so graphicalky all about the same , but wiiiu is the only one with next gen controllers and great controller choice

wii remote-plus,gamepad,pro pad,classic pad

vs dualshock 4 and cameras LOL MS AND SONY YOUR CONTROLLERS ARE CASUAL LAG JOKES

WiiU has precision controls lag free and true dualscreen gaming how can ps4 be considered next gen ….
wiiu guy

..look at the gpu break down theres nothing there betters wiiu bar the clockspeed and wiius sram-edram destroys the ps4 gpu
- http://www.facebook.com/marcel.rasic Marcel Rasic
  
  Its gpu is only 1.5 times more capable than xbox 360′s and its cpu is overclocked game cube cpu so whats so great about that?
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Jesus Christ, it reeks of virginity here…
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